I think we're gong to see Kivlehan or Deej getting significant MLB AB's next year. We need two RH bats (still) and we're probably only going to buy one.
The mistake wth Seager was (indeed) not extending him AS SOON AS THE SEASON WAS OVER LAST YEAR. His downside was as a near All-Star 2B. Now we will pay a few million more...but we have to get it done.
And Saunders as a 4th OF was always his best role.
There is something incredibly weird about Ackley. There is no "average" Ackley. He's terrible or really good.
But he's ours for at least 1.5 seasons. And, as I always said, his value is in his pop. He's not a OBP guy. I like it when he thinks yard on inside stuff.
All that said, he may have his best years elsewhere.
And Zunino is really good. He hits homers. He is a very nice receiver. He plays everyday. In many ways he's an old-school type catcher. I said Gary Carter was where he might end up. Doc guessed Lance Parrish. That may well be the better guess....but that's pretty good.
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about it is if and when you get to the pitching staff there are like 15 pitchers on the roster that you can say yes we could win a pennant with this guy. There really aren't any pitchers that you would say no. Amazing. Kind of looks like Scott Van Slyke would fit the bill for being the right handed platoon partner for 1B, RF and DH.
Good article. One thing: Kyle/Corey.
Van Slyke....Sigh....
Cuz the staff has been flat-out amazing, and how do you pick and choose? I mean, of the guys we HAVE I might vote Medina off the island cuz I don't trust him... but that doesn't make him a BAD reliever. That's basically like voting Jeff Nelson off the island, if Nellie needed a couple days between appearances to stay rested and at full nastiness.
Who votes Jeff Nelson off the island? So yeah. Pitchers might happen, but basically - I don't have a lot of gripes with the 125 ERA+ staff, y'know? Chris Young isn't gonna be here and we're gonna dump Erasmo. Beimel is 49 years old so we'll need another lefty. I'm not comfortable with Rodney but with stellar setup man I can live with that "problem."
And everybody even minorly important is either under club control or contract with the team next year. The staff sets up very well - allowing for health, obviously. They just need a bit more run support and we'll be scary.
Could use a bit in these last few games too...
~G
Terrible - I attribute to too much minor league on the brain. :-)
Is that, while he's only 27 and just two years removed from a 5 win season, he's also a guy who Dave Dombrowski was willing to give up. And, the inexplicable Fister dump aside, Dumbrowski has a an incredibly good track record with this stuff. While it doesn't prove anything by itself it isn't a great sign that Detroit was willing to move him at all.
Peterson and Kivelhan specifically.
Kivelhan has needed about a hundred and fifty at bats at every level to adjust and, really, should be given every opportunity to be brought along slowly.
Peterson, for all the hype, was fairly mediocre in AA last year. And was straight up bad after returning from his wrist injury.
It feels like the M's have been way quick promoting guys to fill the myriad black holes they've had over the past few years. It's understandable, but Ackley, Miller, Seager even Taylor have all shot through the majors incredibly aggressively to varying degrees of success. And that's without talking about Zunino who I worry has been permanently broken by his meteroric rise.
The team is a little better now and can better afford to wait a bit on its prospects in hopes of easing their transition to the majors a bit more. I hope we start to see Jack pump the breaks on these guys now and let them have a second trip through the Pcl, let the league adjust to them and make them adjust to the adjustments rather than promoting everybody at the first sign they might conceivably help the big league club.
Realistically, the M's should be good enough going into the off season that they've got a better plan than "hope Patrick Kivelhan can rake" for a right handed DH/LF/1b.
Jesus Montero would solve a lot of problems on this team if he shows up in shape and the team's willing to give him a shot. *sigh*
Has anybody seen Kivelhan play the outfield? By all accounts he's a pretty bad third baseman, but it seems like a guy with his athletic background ought to be able to hold his own in left. Or is that a pipe dream?
I like both guys, as I said, but you can't make them The Plan. If DJ or Kivlehan can get a cup of coffee next September, or be an injury fill-in after the ASB, then fine. But as part of Plan A coming out of Spring Training? No chance. We've bee rushing everyone and few of the hitters have been able to handle it. I'm with you on Zunino - we didn't do him any favors. And for somebody like Kivlehan who has barely seen any decent breaking balls, I want him to take a good long gander at some in AAA from experienced pitchers. I know he can hit a fastball. I don't want him to be unprepared to hit anything else.
As for Pat's defense - yes, I've seen him play a little outfield. Not a ton... but he gets good jumps and runs well, and with his defensive-back skills it's not like we're asking a guy with concrete shoes to chase down balls out there. He can run. He's been tracking balls all his life - just differently-shaped ones. It's not a rough transition, and he's got a good arm (the gun is not the reason third base isn't good for him).
He's a Brian Jordan type of player, and I'd like to see him in the OF instead of at 1B. If he's Ackley's replacement eventually, fine. We have Kivlehan, Austin Wilson, Tank O'Neill, Alex Jackson and others vying for corner OF spots over the next few years. Kivlehan is closest... but I'm not expecting his arrival until 2016 full-time.
Let's take it a bit slower. I know Jack trusts his draftees more than other people, but rushing them is hurting them. I don't care how great they look and how ready they might appear - leave the cake in the oven til the timer goes off. And stop opening the oven door while you're at it.
Also - no more Montero. He's done. Get a different righty hitter. And at DH it can't be the lefty Choi, who needs another full season to try to find out where his power went (hopefully not down the drain with the rest of his PEDs).
We're about out of internal hitting options for Spring of 2015. Don't count on Romero or any of the rest. FIND a real hitter, maybe two, and then if and when the kids are ready they can fight it out. Right now they ain't ready.
~G
I'm too lazy to look up who said that first. But I think it's relevant to this discussion.
Do the Mariner's have warts? Of course. And so does every other team in the Majors right now. There is no dominant team. But how exactly do we get better?
The thing I like about these discussions, anywhere on the Internet, is the point at which people start proposing solutions to current 'problems'. Most of those solutions on most sites (unlike here) are preposterous. They tend to fall into a few scenarios, as far as I have seen:
1) trade a bunch of our problems for someone else's superstar
2) fire the manager
3) fire the GM
4) pay whatever it takes to sign free agent X
5) bring up the rookies
It doesn't matter that 95% of everything that's proposed is patently ridiculous on one or more levels. At least it forces a real world comparison with what a team already has. Just saying, "I think we absolutely need a new (xxx)" doesn't help. When a solution is proposed in the form of an actual alternative player, then it starts to get productive...because it takes the discussion closer to the world where the GMs actually operate.
We've got all winter to discuss that. And I'm still too deep into this last week to give it too much thought.
But off the top of my head, knowing I'll be in a distinct minority, I'm perfectly fine with our current starting lineup--minus the DH options. Over the last 100 games we're 56-44. Over the full year to date, that winning percentage would put us 5th best in all of baseball. In the second half, our WOBA doesn't look great--92--but it's better than playoff contenders Oakland, Milwaukee, the Yankees, Atlanta and the Royals--and of course, quite a few others. Can we name hitters who we think will be better next year for what they've learned this year? I know I can.
My vote is to build on what we've got--not start replacing pieces that don't look 'good enough' in the abstract--but might look just fine when you consider the real world alternatives.
I really like this team.
(P.S. And that goes double for LoMo, who I think is already clearly the third best hitter on the team.)
One of these days, we might gain the ability to modify our blogrolls. :-) Until then, Dr. D will just have to poach sections for his own articles. Paragraph by paragraph.
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Plan A can be 4-youngsters-to-make-1, can't it? Provided that you've got more than two other hitters in your lineup Opening Day.