Around the Horn, 5.27.10

=== Compass Rosy ===

Rosy points out that Doug Fister, with even a few more runs, could have an 8-and-1 record.

This brought back childhood memories, in which I enjoyed watching SP's who blasted out of the gate with huge W/L records.  Rick Honeycutt comes to mind: in 1980 he started out 6-0 for the fourth-year Mariners.  Actually, he was 6-0 after six starts.  Sports Illustrated ran a little story, "Unsinkable Mariner," which thrilled me.

Bill Bonham started 8-0 for my 1977 Cincinnati Reds, IIRC...

For me back then, this brought visions of 25-5 records.  Who knows?  I watch for no-hitters in the 3rd inning, too.

Fister wasn't going to be 8-1, but one of these years Felix is going to start 5-and-0 in his first five or six games and then the chase for the huge W-L will be on...  Massive bummer that, the way Doug Fister has pitched, he isn't leading the league in W's the way he is leading it in ERA and WHIP.

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Rosy also continues to emphasize "the little things."  In just one 2-1 loss, the M's (a) got a runner picked off first, (b) messed up a bunt, (c) drew no BB's the entire game and (d) we're sure there was plenty more.

Winning 1-run games does indeed come down to the bullpen, and to execution on these types of plays.  They've known that since John McGraw. 

The M's have like 10 road losses in the other team's final AB, and they have been messing up simple execution plays all season.   Their Pythag is 20-26, and with even a little better execution, they might well be around .500 despite Lopez and Figgins.

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The M's haven't given up, but they're grinding.  You can work very hard but if you're working hard while fearing the worst, you are going to foul up a lot.  What a team needs is hard work, plus joy and hope and optimism.

Nothing for it, but to win a few and get some momentum going.  Then the attitude changes, and then the execution follows.  Not because of hard work, but because of state-of-mind.

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=== Dead Cat's Bounce ===

Gomez does smokin' postgames, and I especially liked his review of Fister-uber-Verlander:

Funny that the Mariners score some runs in what turns out to be a pitchers duel, as Doug Fister matched fireballer Justin Verlander step for step until Verlander faltered in the 8th. Also go figure that in two of his lesser starts stat-wise, Fister puts up his best two performances of the season, as his defense lets him down a bit but he pitches better than he has all season, with very few mistakes. Believe it or not, he's getting better even as his line scores fall back to Earth.

Awesome to see a dude, other than Jeff Sullivan, watch a ballgame and post a plus report that is in contradiction to a minus box score.  Doug Fister is a work in progress - a work in early progress, in fact.

It's easy to miss the fact that all pitchers go through phases and transitions and transmogrifications -- usually large ones.   Roger Clemens, just to take one huge example, came into the AL throwing 98-mph fastballs up in the zone.  Later, he became a three-pitch craftsman in the low-mid 90's, and even later than that, he became a control artist using a sinker-slider, and by the time he was 50 he was something else...

Felix pitches much differently these days.

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Doug Fisters current incarnation, in which he pitches like Scott Erickson and Jo-El Pineiro and Catfish Hunter, can't possibly last.  Doug Fister can't continue to run the #3 fastball ratio in the AL with an 88 fastball; he and Jo-El are the only guys in the top 20 who are under 90 mph.

Fister has the change and curve to morph away from the sky-high FB percentage and win.  That will occur, at some time.

But in the meantime, yeah.  Fister is in a rocking chair out there.  He's got the jam pitch, he's got the tease pitch, he's got the ladder pitch and he exudes command of the stadium out there.

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Cheers,

Dr D

Comments

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RockiesJeff's picture

Doc, do you remember when Honeycutt had the thumbtack in his glove? I love watching the Fisters who are able to succeed without the ability to throw high 90's. Last night my 14 year old playing up faced an all-star team playing down and watched low 90's pitches for a strikeout after he finally figured out how to foul some off.  Thankfully baseball will always have the Maddux and Moyers.
Question: Has Fister always had the 88 mph or did he cut back some to gain control and movement?

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*You* remember Neihaus the next start he was eligible, "[the umpire] went out and found him looking like a hardware store!"  :- )
As far as I know, Fister has never thrown hard, which was why he was about as much off the radar two years ago as Andrew Carraway is right now...
Even when he racked up the incredible K/BB's in the PCL, nobody bought in, but the Mariners themselves slammed Doogie up to higher and higher levels with alacrity... they knew an ML pitcher when they saw one and they are reaping the benefits...

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RockiesJeff's picture

Yes, those are the stories that you have to love.  That has to be one of the great things about baseball.  The guy with 5.1 speed, no matter how hard he tries will be a wide receiver in the NFL.  But somehow in baseball, the Moyers, etc....tremendous athletes but not the naturals.  Good for you taking such a positive stance on Fister pre-season.  Great call.  I hope that he can continue to keep hitters off balance.  Any word why he has not thrown his change-up more?
Yes, well remembered the follow-up on Honeycutt.  Some great lines over the years!

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CA's picture

Fister has been amazing, and notice the lack of fanfare from the big 2, (as well as me).  He has no "stuff", just gets outs.  Any talk of his success is followed closely by sample size.  Stay tuned, we may have another Doc got it right, net got it wrong scenario.  One day, folks will realize that the guy may miss on a talent, but his method of picking out AAA gems is better than either deciding a kid is going to make it or break it based on a SECOND HAND low level scouting opinion that is still in his teens, is pretty valuable to the big club, this year. 

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It's a funny thing, 'cause there are a lot of 'net rats around (including you, Jason, Sully, and several others) who have absolutely no need to take a "second hand" report on faith without question.
It's the internet age, and more and more you see non-pro's who are more than capable of eyeballing a Shawn Kelley or Michael Pineda or whoever for their ownselves...
Just don't talk to Silentpadna about Paul Spoljaric or Scott Sanders :- )

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What is your take on Fister's FB%?  You think as hitters adjust he's going to have to mix it up more?
Imagine we'd both agree to run with the Catfish imitation, until the hitters prove they can do something with it...
But you're thinking what, in terms of this being his basic game, or this being a way station en route to a Brad Radke pitch mix?

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RockiesJeff's picture

Good point of Catfish and sticking to it until....don't we too often try to fit our formulas into something, like saying that the stock has reached its low but in all honesty, only the market is always right. Maybe Fister has thrown more fastballs than anyone imagined but...who would have argued against the results? Go with what is working and adjust when you need to. Even if you have Namath as your QB...if you can gain 7 yards each carry, pretend you are Woody Hayes? LOL..typing fast and hope that made sense.  You all have a good weekend!!

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