Drew Pomeranz and Mike Montgomery
SABRMatt has a comp for us

.

SABRMatt proposes the Drew Pomeranz comp.  I like it.  Remember, templates are large circle-bins into which we toss players who apply the same skill sets; they're not photo-perfect.  Points in common:

  • 1st-round pedigree
  • Lefties who had control problems until age 27
  • Remarkable curve balls
  • High release points, "downhill" fastballs
  • Once the curve and fastball had any command at all, both pitchers flashed dominance

Pomeranz ran a 2.47 ERA "out of the blue" this year and made the NL All-Star team.  Montgomery had both the 1.62 ERA-flash last year and now this year's 2.02 ERA.

As we mentioned, both of these guys are right at James Paxton's age.  There's a reason that orgs are patient with elite talent.  Last thing in the world that KC wanted to do, was have Mike Montgomery's developmental hourglass sand out.  But sometimes a left hand talent takes longer to mature than the Players' Union clock mandates.  Their loss, our gain.

.

MONTGOMERY 

Here is the video from last Sunday, which we know at least Moe enjoys revisiting ...

  • 84 changeup, on the black but high, got it off the end of the bat for a harmless flyout
  • Downhill 94 fastball (thrown from a high release point), topped to SS  (Monty's GB% is 59.7 this year, homers 0.3)
  • The big curveball, dropping down below the zone, for the K
  • Back foot curve again the wipeout K
  • Cutter hard-in achieves its desired end - a blonked groundball
  • Erikkk Bedard-class hook for the K
  • 92 fastball the hitter is still a bit late on (perhaps because of the change-speed game)
  • 3-2 fastball up, 94 MPH, harmlessly popped a mile high

This is like a resume video Aroldis Chapman would send over before his blockbuster contract.  Except the pitches would be selected from a 2-year timeframe.  :- )

.

DREW POMERANZ

Pomeranz doesn't throw quite as hard as Montgomery, and really uses 2 pitches instead of 4.  On paper he's less talented than Montgomery.  But he comes out of a Billy Beane organization and ... well, Barry Zito taught us the upper limits of 90-MPH fastballs and lefty-curve arsenals.  That is, to be the best pitcher in baseball.

Does Pomeranz now have that kind of feel, to murder hitters with 3-2 curve balls?  Here's a 7-IP shutout:

.

  • 94 MPH into a teacup low-away in a LH-on-LH situation
  • 92 MPH just up and in out of the zone for a stupid K
  • 93 MPH up the ladder, easy K, wish we played the Dodgers
  • 91 jam pitch, called strike 3
  • 92 up-and-in, saws him off
  • 89 up the ladder, terrible swing, guess they don't have the M's metrics for yanking pitchers who've dropped their release point 2"
  • 91 low-in, another backwards K

Very nice Colon-like command - he's obviously using the fastball as 3-weapons-in-one, jam pitch, ladder, and other.  We suppose you'd like to see a few curve balls.  Notice however that 95 MPH is not the bare minimum required for Mike Montgomery's success.

So here's another highlight vid, from last week:

.

  • 90 MPH centered for a long fly ball; this one's caught
  • THERE is the Zito curve ball for a K
  • Cutter down-in out of the zone for a K
  • Back-foot curve for a K
  • Terrifying curve for a LH-on-LK taken strike three
  • 92 MPH into a teacup vs RH for a taken strike three
  • Nintendo curve down-in, too slow for the radar gun to track :- )
  • 87 ladder fastball is plenty 'nuff
  • Slightly mushier curve ball produces two-bouncer to 2B

So you can see the comparison here, and comps are there so that we can make distinctions within groups...

A glance at Pomeranz suggests --- > a Zito-like command of the fastball, with the shellshock curve in the back pocket at any time.  Mike Montgomery is the more talented pitcher.  Right now he's using 95 MPH velocity more than he is consistent command, and he's got two additional pitches behind the FB and curve.

I did like the way that Monty kept the cutter in on RH and in this sense, he's working some command sequences already.

.

DR'S DIAGNOSIS

Bottom line:  impending Barry Zito (?) vs TBD, maybe more of a Sabathia or Finley type.  Gotta see where the FB command winds up.  At 95 MPH and with a changeup, SSI hasn't triangulated Montomery's final comp after one start.  ;- )

Your mileage may vary,

Dr D

Blog: 

Comments

1

Except for some reason, on my computer I can't access any video or box score from MLB.com or MiLB.com when I'm using Chrome.  I can when I go to Explorer, but I hate Explorer.

Anybody have a clue why?  I've even registered with those sites.....

Doc, what I (seem to) remember from last season's flash was Monty's inside and outside process, especially his brilliance with the curve to both LH/RH bats. And, IIRC correctly he climbed the ladder with the FB then rolled the curve off the table.  Is that your recollection, too.  FB up (with decent pace) and then the yakker starting up there before tumbling down, but looking so hittable for a bit.

But last June/July was a long time ago.  I forget things.

Anyway, if you were DiPoto and had stockpiled "young" rotational arms like Paxton-Walker-Karns-Montgomery, you would rightly know that you had something of great value.  Diaz might mature into a starters role, as well.  However, his devastatingness from the pen may keep him there.  There will be lots of interest in our young guys between now and Opening Day '17.  DiPoto would do well to figure out now just how much filthy lucre it will take to sneak one of those guys from him.  

St. Louis, always on the lookout for young arms, has several of those Grichuk-Piscotty-Pham types.  You know, glovey OF's who can play CF and hurt the ball with the bat.  There could be a marriage in there somewhere.

But I think I'm holding all 4 of my guys.....unless a Piscotty comes along.

 

2

The trade rumors circling aobut what he will cost to acquire set a value point for Montgomery for me if I'm in Dipoto's shoes.  And if we think we have a Pomeranz...then I'm working hard on dumping Miley for garbage and trading for two power relievers, one of them left-handed, and I'm going to war with the rotation I have.

3

I completely agree with all of that.  Well, doing the math, with Kuma and Felix plus Paxton, Walker, Karns, Montgomery, Diaz, LeBlanc...someone is going to Tacoma and 2 for the pen I think.   That's if all are healthy.   LeBlanc to Tacoma and Diaz staying in the pen for now?  So Felix returning might move LeBlanc to Tacoma, if Walker returns then another of them might go to the pen.  If otherwise Mileys place on the roster is replaced with an ace reliever that might be enough.

Vincent, Furbush, Zych and Cook are all throwing and working towards returning.  Can't fit all of them either but a couple of them could provide a huge boost upon returning too.

Assuming Diaz stayed in the pen (and everyone is healthy at once), what do you do with the 7 others?  Felix, Kuma, Paxton, Walker, Karns, Monty and Leblanc.  I'd be real tempted to put Paxton in the pen but I think Karns might start to do well there instead.

5

And that is why we MUST keep Montgomery in our rotation.

Right now, our bullpen consists of:

Cishek / Diaz / Nuno (guys I actually want to keep)

Benoit (guy I want DFA'd)

Rollins / Wilhelmson (guys I don't hold up my playoff run to accommodate)

and Karns (guy who could go to AAA to get stretched out for the rotation if we need him)

We've got King Felix, Iwakuma, Paxton, Walker?, and Montgomery as the top five for the rotation, with LeBlanc filling in for Walker if he stumbles again due to foot issues

That leaves us needing THREE relievers...minimum.

As noted above, we have Furbush looking good in rehab, and Vincent will soon be back.  That's two.  We must acquire at least one more and preferably two more, one left handed to take Montgomery's place, and one who takes Benoit's place as righty set-up man along with Diaz.

Add comment

Filtered HTML

  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
  • Allowed HTML tags: <a> <em> <strong> <cite> <blockquote> <code> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd><p><br>
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.

Plain text

  • No HTML tags allowed.
  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.

shout_filter

  • Allowed HTML tags: <a> <em> <strong> <cite> <blockquote> <code> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd>
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.
  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.