Which is easy to forget.
Now with 31 career starts: It is likely that he's just beginning to find his MLB-self.
Vargas didn't go past 31 starts until he was 26. Noesi is 25 and only has 19 career starts. Millwood, and a case can be made that he's something of a template for Beavan, had 37 starts by the end of his age 23 season. Just about where Beavan will be.
Beavan is 12-12 in 188 innings. Like Millwood he'll have some nice years. It wouldn't surprise me if he rolls out an ERA+ of 125-130 some year. Like Millwood, he'll follow it up with one of 92. He's a #5 guy, at least. Maybe better.
I like him. OK, he isn't Seaver.....but he's decent piece who's getting better.
moe
Q. Remind me where BB was after his last start?
A. With a newfound ability to miss bats. This was based on an 81 MPH slider that he was snapping off with a lot more elan than he'd showed in the past, and he used it cunningly to set up high fastballs for swingthroughs. The question was whether he'd reproduce this sequencing against the Jays.
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Q. How was his slider Wednesday?
A. Going into the game, the mainframe was programmed to sort for three things:
- Arm action that had the Jays taking some half positions.
- Spin that resulted in a 4x4 break, indicating an enthusiastic finish.
- Aggressive, attacking deployment of the slider that led to fastball swingthroughs later in the count.
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Q. How was the spin?
A. That one's verifiable: the break was about 2x4. He was a bit less than last time out, but still in 2H 2012 form generally.
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Q. How was the arm action?
A. Not quite as good as last time out, but easily adequate.
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Q. How was the aggressiveness on the slider?
A. He threw it constantly -- 35 times against 46 fastballs. So that's the big thing: he looks as though he's really bought in to the idea that he can rely on his change speed.
Funny thing, though: he'd throw the slider and then come in with a fastball ... low in the strike zone. (?!) That is the reason that his swings and misses were trimmed back to 7/82, and his strikeouts were cut back to 4. Read the location chart for yusself, man. For whatever reason, he was pounding the knees early. That's not Beavan's game, this year or ever - check his fly ball ratios.
The last couple innings, the 7th and 8th, bam, he took the Jays up in the zone and WHAM, three strikeouts in his last six outs. Who knows what he was thinking. Scared of the Jays' power, maybe?
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Q. He threw only 82 pitches in eight innings.
A. After 25 pitches, he was 21-4. Twenty-one strikes and four balls.
Meanwhile, the Jays were attacking the first pitches. That was clearly and obviously the game plan: the kid wants to steal strike one. Let's take him off the fences!
John Jaso nimbly switched over to a change-speed game. The Jays would load up for first pitch fastballs, and here came the slider. 0-and-1. Brooks had him for 35 sliders -- 27 of them for strikes. That's tough to do against the air, babe. So, credit John Jaso for winning the chess match.
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Q. Okay ... 7.2 innings, 7 hits, 3 runs, 0:4 control ratio, two solo homers. Was it basically New Beavan or Old Beavan?
A. It was basically New Beavan - the new Beavan with his B game, that is. The Blue Jays lead the AL in runs scored... check that, they were leading, before they ran into the buzzsaw that is the Seattle Mariners. Beavan went 8 innings, 3 runs, on a night where I didn't feel he was throwing that great. There were seven hits, but a couple of them were weird chops and bloopers.
That's one thing you gotta give him. He's not going to beat himself. On a night with his B game, he's still not going to walk five guys.
The guy threw 64 strikes and 18 balls. That's practically a Pineda-problem game - the hitters can just cut loose knowing the ball's going to be there. To throw 64/82 strikes, against the Jays, and get away with it, you're doing something right.
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Q. Beavan is now an SSI Best Bet?
A. Assuredly NOT.
He's a guy with a quirky skill -- excellent fastball command and a strong commitment to throwing strikes. It appears that he may have come up with the slider that ignites his game.
It's worth watching. Wednesday night, he came back in with 45% sliders and they couldn't do much with him. The Beavan Watch is "on."
Comments
How bad did we need someone like Beavan a few years back? Instead of committing millions to Silva and Bautista?
Zduriencik's program is MUCH better at leveraging skills and producing pitchers that are better than replacement level and get better with age. Bavasi operated with the clear sense that his own prospecting/development skills were very weak and so he went out and bought everything he could to fill holes. Z is confident in his drafts, trades and personnel and it shows.
If you want to take Sandy's preferred Greg Maddux comp :- ) there's the fact that Maddux came up to the bigs in his early 20's, struggled mightily in his first two (half) seasons), and then gradually moved his K/BB from poor to good to real good to epic.
Maddux after 1987 and 1988 had 187 innings logged going into 1989, with a 121:85 control ratio. After those 187 innings he jelled.
Not that anybody's predicting 355 career W's for the Beavanator. But if there are any parallels as to learning curves, they portend well for the local #5 starter :- )
If Iwakuma and Beavan close strong here, I'd really like to know how they're going to line up the rotation. ... Capps and Pryor are liable to force Wilhelmsen out of the bullpen :- )
That spring when the execs walked around camp euphoric at the majestic sight of five MLB(TM) $10,000,000 starters in their org .... blagh. It underlines the value of a shot-caller like Zduriencik who can identify talent before it goes 13-11, 3.89 in an MLB season.
I remembered that Maddux had struggled his first two years....but had forgot just how much he struggled. Thanks: OPS+ in the 75 range, and a WHIP of nearly 1.7 over his first 32 starts and those 187 innings (weirdly similar starts/innings to Beavan right now).
Then, of course, Maddux went nuts and became Maddux. He was, by the way, the longest most dominant pitcher I've ever seen. He went 7 consecutive seasons with an ERA+ never under 162! He had consecutive seasons of 271 & 260! Seven consecutive seasons of throwing better than Felix did in '09 & '10. Unbelievable. You know, we talk of R. Johnson and N. Ryan as freaks.....but Maddux was, maybe, the most freakishly freaky thrower ever.
Maddux gave up 1 homer/9 innings over those first 187 innings, then it fell to essentially zero (well, not going above 1.0 for the next 16 seasons). He gave up 11 hit's/9. Walked about 4 guys and struck out about 6. Beavan's at 1.2 HR/9 right now, which is pretty Maddux-like. His K's are only 4.8...but that's nearly a 25% improvement over last year. Maddux's started moving up in his age 24 season. But where Maddux started a bit wild, Beavan already has the veteran Maddux-like control.
BTW, in his last 4 starts and 28.1 innings, Beavan has K'ed 14 guys and walked exactly 1! OK, he's beaned 2 guys, but I like to see that a bit from Beavan......move 'em back and keep 'em jittery. He's a 12-win (full season) 23-year old rookie. He throws a 91 MPH fast ball, that probably looks 93 because he's 6'7. He walks a guy every other weak or so. He throws 5 innings, even in his bad starts. And his K's/9 has already jumped. Man, what's not to like?
Admittedly, Beavan isn't going to be Maddux (neither is Felix, btw). But he's going to throw a lot of valuable MLB innings for a long time. I would like him to throw them here. I like Vargas, too.....but I'm swapping out Vargas before I am Beavan. He's a solid #5 starter right now. He's 23. He was the #17 pick in the entire draft. He's getting better. Is it unreasonable to assume that he has #3-type upside, even in a pitching right Seattle environment?
And the thought of two young guns moving Wilhemsen out of the pen and into the rotation is a giddy-inducing thing! It's easy to think of him as only a bullpen guy, but he's only a bullpen guy this year. He was principally a starter as late as last year, in Jackson. He's got 74 MLB games, all out of the pen. But of his 46 MiLB games (not indy league), 41 were as a starter. Is there a template for a 29-year old guy to transition into a MLB starter? Mind you, I'm not advocating his move there.....nor considering it: 5 years of 70 high leverage innings of smoke would be quite nice, thank you. But it is an interesting thought simply because it would mean that Capps and Pryor are just as good!
Felix, Vargas, Iwakuma, Beavan is a nice place to start in '13...Noesi I'm mostly discounting....but then you go to Ramirez (who does have a 3.82 ERA in 30+ MLB innings this year...and he's only 22!) and the Big Three, at least one of whom will be up as soon as the arb period passes. Is Vargas worth more over the winter than he was a week ago?
But for me, Beavan stays right here, racking up innings for quite a while.
moe
Throwing pitches in the strike zone is not a measure of a pitcher. If you can't get outs, then low walks don't mean much. In his return to the bigs, Beavan's been getting outs. But it's not like it's better to walk 2 and give up 10 hits per 9 than to walk 3 and give up 9 hits per. It's actually worse to give up the hits, because they drive in more runs than walks do.
Since his return, in 28.1 IP, he's given up 22 hits and just 1 walk while striking out 18. He has only given up more hits than IP in one of those 4 starts.
You know how many outings he gave up more hits than IP in his first 2012 stint? Nine of twelve.
If he can keep the hits down, he can have success.
> 10 H/9 = chance at Carlos Silva
I'm not eager to see many more years of Carlos Silva, so I'd certainly hope for the lowered hits to continue.
As for Wilhelmsen, I don't expect us to move him back to the rotation, even though I find the thought intriguing. He's our Papelbon, who started basically his whole minor league career and has the stuff to start, but was so nails in the pen that he couldn't be pried out of it. The Bartender is toying with hitters with that 99 mph heat and crackling curve, and has added the changeup just to shame them. He COULD start.
But I don't see us letting him, and he's got value where he is. Beavan could have value if this hits continue to stay down. Vargas has value due to park and attitude. And Erasmo/Hultzen/Walker/Paxton are all hovering, with Erasmo hopefully about to land again (stupid injury bug...).
It's certainly a nice change to be on a great winning streak instead of a historic losing streak, though - what a difference a year makes. Hopefully all this talent we've accumulated keeps us heading in the right direction.
~G
I wan't saying Beavan is a lock to be Radke+, I was just saying that he's 23 and beginning to show much more promise.
As a 21-year old, at AAA he gave up 1.4 hits/9. At 22 it was 1.2. This year, at 23, it's 1.0. He's trending in the right direction.
I wonder if the hard thing for Beavan is to actually learn to throw more balls? As a HS pitcher I'm sure he just blew folks away. He was the #17 pick, after all.
At 19 in A ball, he gave up 8 hits/9 innings. At 20, in A+ ball, he gave up 9 per. It was when he made the jump to AA ball as a 20-yr old, that his hits/9 went to 11. But then as a 21-yr old AA guy it dropped to just 8.3. And I mentioned his AAA trend above. From AA on, his pattern is to give up hits in his first go-around, then fix it.
The guy gets better. I think we're seeing that MLB trend now.
It is interesting that he learned to take some heat off the FB in order gain control so early. It took Morrow years of getting clubbed in the big leagues to figure it out. It even took Felix years of big league experience to figure it out. Now he's seemingly adding the heat back a little at a time. Beavan at 92-93 mph is more interesting than Beavan at 89-90 mph. Is it out of the possibility that he adds another mph or two next year? Or add a splitter? Or add a knuckle to his curve?
I think G is right - he needs to jump one more plateau but he's got a variety of ways to get there. I would like to find out.
Even if he fires the slider with gusto, there's still an adjustment and counter-adjustment to go through there. The slider is an average pitch; it's not like we're talking Brad Radke's changeup.
Still, we asked the guy to develop a change-speed game and BAM, here he shows up with one. Let's not undersell that either. :- )