The Week In Quotes: Tom Allison, Andy McKay and Knute Rockne
And by "most" he mighta meant "1950s Baseball Men"

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Andy McKay being the new player-development guru.  Via Dutton as channeler, quoth he:

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"It would be hard to find anyone who has read more on the topic of performance psychology than I have," he said. "I’ve been able to take a huge volume of literature and whittle it down into a usable program."

"A lot of learning happens just through experience," he said, "but I’d like to take the idea that we can formalize that process and hold people accountable for their continuous growth and a never-ending improvement process.

"In my opinion, there’s nobody who is doing it well. I think everyone is doing it OK. I think there is an enormous gap between where we are as an industry and where we can get to."

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Ho-kay.  Beautiful.  You're the best in the world at this.  You're the best BY FAR.  And you've got an open niche.  Moneyball, here we come.  ... as a blog making the hire, which of course SSI definitely is, we LOVE to hear an interviewee come in and sit down with this shtick.  Either the guy is fairly good with a major neuropathic issue, or he's actually the Bobby Fischer of his genre.  Either way, the rest of the interview is going to be far more enjoyable that it figured to be going in.

DiPoto just made a statement that (1) of these two McKay options, he believes the second one, and (2) DiPoto doesn't have anything against trash talk.

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At Boeing we used to call this "Continuous Quality Improvement" (CQI) and then "Total Quality Management" (TQM).  Each department, cubicle, and worker had metric sheets posted nearby, which showed mistakes/successes.  The graph went up.  Dr. D infers that this idea wasn't as popular with baseball players; you have to "find" hitting coaches "that they'll listen to."  Of course, if your LAA field manager is handing you the reports with one hand and pointing at the commode with the other, you're going to have a harder time gaining traction.

This is a neat site that serves as a primer for this area in which McKay has achieved global domination.  Traub's site starts with this definition --- > "What are mental skills? Anything that impacts your performance other than talent and physical skills." and then --- >

--- > puts 43 core values on the marquee, exactly six times as many as the U.S. Army tries to instill.  You've got to give him credit for specificity, now don't you:

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  • Motivation
  • Self-Control
  • Awareness
  • Toughness
  • Relentlessness
  • Perspective
  • Imagery
  • Forgiveness
  • Perseverence
  • Attitude
  • Anchors
  • Affirmations
  • Discipline
  • Teamwork
  • Self-esteem
  • Mental toughness
  • Intensity
  • Respect
  • Consistency
  • Competitiveness
  • Loyalty
  • Enjoyment
  • Humility
  • Goal setting
  • Meditation
  • Prayer
  • Approach
  • Strategy
  • Self-talk
  • Balance
  • Intelligence
  • Concentration
  • Staying within yourself
  • Presentness
  • Playing for self
  • Response
  • Enjoyment
  • Poise
  • Perspective
  • Communicativeness
  • Handling failure
  • Adjustments
  • Kaizen (continuous progress)

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In order to put a big red X across the preceding 43 strategic factors, you'd have to say that --- > there is no such thing as a ballplayer who ever got less out of his career than he should have.  Are you going to say that?

Kazuhiro Sasaki once got drunk and set up a Big Time Wrestling exhibition with his friends.  (As Dr. D understands the story, you realize).  When he fouled up a rib and couldn't pitch, his cover story was that he tripped going up the stairs and landed on the edge of a suitcase.  The M's were 42-19 that year, and by "year" we mean 1993.  They went 51-50 and Sasaki went home the next year.  

Do we file this under "Toughness?"  Or should it go under "Self-Control?"  Or maybe "Discipline?"  The entry "Respect" (for one's chosen profession) might be a runner.  But personally Dr. D will plump for "Staying Within Yourself" ... the entire season went down the commode when Sasaki failed to demo his flying suplex on a female combatant rather than a male one.

A simple an obvious example where a clear difference between 10 saves, and 39, was due to something other than talent and pitching technique.  Self-Controlled Sasaki would have saved 40 games that year, the 2003 Hargrovers would have won 100 games (they still won 93) and the descent into Mariner death would have been delayed by twenty minutes.

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SSI believes that Justin Smoak, Dustin Ackley, Michael Saunders, Erasmo Ramirez and Jesus Montero could have gotten more out of their careers under different circumstances.  But, I guess, the Ice Cream Sandwich Missiles Will Continue Until Morale Improves.

Carlos Guillen hit .276/.359/.394 his last year here, even as the GM committee was nagging him to spend less time around Freddy "coronas and pinatas" Garcia.  He hit .318/.379/.542 the very next year in Detroit.  Guess we'll see whether McKay can bring Detroit to the West Coast.

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Oh yeah! :- )  Knute Rockne quote.  We can all be geniuses because one definition of genius is the infinite capacity for taking pains.  Or, as Dr. D might put it, Rocky's cast-iron jaw was worth a whale of a lot of IQ points.

'ave at thee,

Dr D

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McKay REALLY said all that?

Ooooooh.....If so, I'm pretty sure that he's been drinking WAY too much of his own visualization/Dr. Norman Vincent Peale/Ty Webb Kool Aid.

So let me get this right?  In a world (or career field) filled with mediocrity, he is convinced he's the least mediocre of the bunch?

There is a bit too much psycho-babble here for me.  Hey, I get the whole idea, I spent a bunch of sessions with a golf psychologist way back (which I quite enjoyed), but it isn't quite the "science" he's pretending it to be.  (If it were, it would make him a scientist).

All them Micky Mantles and Frank Robinsons did just fine, thank you, without somebody pushing their "whittled down, usable program" at them.  

If he's talking about keeping it simple, focused and positive...well then he's on to something (as any good HS basketball coach would tell you).  If he's sure he's reinventing the field, well then I'm afraid he's a bit delusional.

Those Colorado Rockies of his haven't lit the baseball word on fire with formalized processes lately.

Maybe he's claiming credit for the Corey Dickersons of the world.  Hmmmm...man he hit .348 in his first season as a pro, looks like he had something with him when he started getting paid.

OK....I'll simmer the rant down.  But I dislike this kind of "I know the secret" stuff, especially in player performance psychology.

Heck, the best psychologist for Lee Trevino was a 340 lb caddy with a jr. high education.  You get my drift, Mr. McKay?

Professional ballplayer types are not computers, ready for your usable program to be downloaded and performance to peak.  It doesn't work that way.  Ask a Dustin Ackley.

OK...I'm sure McKay knows this.  His college coaching experience actually encourages me.  But he seems to be spouting kool aid solutions.  Work with people Andy, not with programs.

Moe

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OBF's picture

All them Micky Mantles and Frank Robinson's did just fine, thank you

Once you get past the upper 10% who are just better than everyone else PHYSICALLY, you have to find some edge to out performe the rest of the muddled middle 80% of players.

He claims that the edge is all mental...  I know even in my own job (Software) that frame of mind makes a HUGE difference in how my day will go...  so why wouldn't that be true of ball players as well?

Interesting how, where you read hubris, I read humility...  He plainly says that no one is that great at Player Development, including himself, but that (and maybe this is where his program is different) they are always looking for ways to improve.

Just because he has a formalized program, doesn't mean it is one size fits all...

Put me in the camp of quite enthused about this hire.  It's nice to have someone come in excited about improving the one place we have all identified as truly lacking in this org, Player Dev...  Seems like all the guys we have had in the past just wanted to keep with status quo, and look for the next Griffey or Trout, not try to help the middle 80%, the Pizzanos, The Kivlehans, etc.  become the best they can be...  THAT is what a great org like St. Loius does.  Yeah they get lucky on a Pujols every once in a while, but it is the constant stream of 2 WAR over achiever scrubs that make them great.

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As a preoposterous way to morph a set of opinions into a hard-science configuration.  Not sure that psychology has ever really addressed its insecurities since.

"I know the secret" has 9 chances to become a joke, and 1 chance to become Mike Marshall ... here's hopin' Dawg ... :: clink ::

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But none of our players, from Rook ball to Safeco, have got this far without some sports psychology/visualization/in-the-moment/anchor-the -positive teaching/coaching.  Every college program in the nation does this, and almost every good HS coach (as I've pointed out) incorporates much or some of this.  I'm sure every player in our minors has had it, too...as part of the Seattle organizational process.

Kivlehan and Pizzano (thanks for mentioning them, as they are two of my very favorite Seattle prospects) have had lots of it.  McKay is unlikely to be giving them something they haven't heard.

Heck, every Robinson and Mantle found ways to do the same thing, long before it was "science."

But I'm leery of "codified" sports psychology and I fear that is what I see here.  If I am misreading Mr. McKay, then I am relieved. 

Paraphrasing:  "We can formalize the process of learning and experience and hold people accountable for continuous growth and player performance."

Such a statement is one gigantic nostrum.  My goodness, doesn't baseball "hold people accountable" for player performance right now?  if a player stops "growing," don't teams notice and deal with that?  Mike Zunino wasn't held accoutable last year for his lack of growth and performance as a hitter? 

There is a timelessness to the Gospel According to DiPoto ("Thou Shalt Control the Strikezone") that I earnestly applaud.  There is a "Eureka!" to whittled down usable programs.  I am not "there" on a Eureka discovery moment of sports psychology.

Mr. McKay is a very qualified guy.  I trust he will have a positive impact on the M's in some fashion.  I don't think it will be because he's figured it out, beyond everybody else in the field.  I trust he knows that.  Perhaps I misread the "snippets" included above. If so, mea culpa.

But those snippets can certainly be read to indicate his belief in some sort of secret/divined Gnostic-knowledge in his "usable program."

Hope not.  Go team.

Moe

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The Seahawks might send Richard Sherman home with a wristband and grade him on his quality of sleep.  ... You might grade Cary Williams vs Tharold Simon as to how many reps (practices) it takes them to learn a crossover step.  Seems quite possible from here to put metrics on a player's mental attributes, and to advance the methods by which you do this...

What's baffling is the way McKay cast himself as having a holistic system that leaps the industry by several plateaus. ...we'll settle for just his making a difference :- )

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You almost can't even compare a 20 year old in 2015 with a 20 year old in 1950. They are almost a different species. Gotta change with the times. 

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My kids just got me a 1,000-page comic book with Archie, Betty and Veronica in it.  I'll take those to be the high school seniors of the 1950's.

Where would I go to find a catalog of the 20-year-olds today?  My DVD collection?

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Count me among the skeptics that there can be radical breakthroughs in sports psychology.

Here's why:


There is a commonly held Facebook belief that humans only use 10 percent of their brains.  If a person could employ the other 90 percent, he or she would predict the future, bend spoons with the mind, and so forth.

Everyone I know that holds this mind belief has never really pushed themselves mentally or physically to the edge of their breaking point.

When I was six, I thought I was going to be a rocket scientist.  That didn't last long.  They wouldn't let me into college prep algebra in high school.  When I was 15, I thought I was going to be a boss wrestler.  I was disabused of that notion by a regional rival who liked to grind my face into the mat in front of my friends and family.  When I was a senior in college, I thought that I was going to ace law school.  I got to 1L, worked my very hardest, cracked two molars from grinding my teeth at night, and wound up in the 50th percentile.  Exact middle of my class. I didn't get better at wrestling from believing that I was better, I got better from diligently studying judo in the off season and getting an edge over my opponents.  I got better at law by years of practice. 

It hit me around 2L.  I'm not a genius.  I'm not especially special.  I've given many different things my all, and have discovered the limits of my unlocked potential.  There are people out there who are just better than me at many different things.  I'm never going to be Usain Bolt.  My top speed is 18.5 mph, and it will never be possible for me to hump up to 23 mph.  If I worked at it every day, I might hit 20 mph.  If I went to a race, I would be there with the really fast people, who exceed 20 mph, and I would appear slow.

Baseball is similar.  In baseball, players become used to failure, pain and suffering.  Those other guys, they like to drive Mercedes too.  You can teach a pitcher a new grip and give him an edge.  You can teach a batter superior strike zone control or pitch recognition and give him an edge.  You can eat HGH gummy bears and get an edge.  But you can't think yourself into Beast Mode.  It has to come from inside of you. 

Sports psychology has its place, but the delta between a new system of sports psychology and the system that everyone has been using is probably not great.  There are things that a person can do to maximize their psychology.  My list of ways to maximize output is as follows: 1. Don't drink or do drugs, or do anything that is more fun than your work.  2. Don't fight with your wife.  3. Do something that you know gives you  an edge.  4. Find something rewarding about your job.  5. Play some good music while you work.  6. Make a to do list and then cross out things when they are finished.

My two cents.

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Moj, get this:

First question, first session, of my Sports (golf) Psychologist experience was this:  How's your marriage?

Honest to darn goodness, that was it.  I loved it and got it immediately.  If your personal life is out of whack, he was saying, then you're probably not achieving what you can in your golfing life.

I've remembered, chewed upon, applied and believed in that simple truth ever since.  Well, tried to, anyway.

Of course, there was more to our sessions, some that worked and some that didn't.  Interestingly, it was the "method" stuff that he had for me (Do this/think that over the ball and all will be well") that bombed disasterously.  Being a good student, I kept trying to apply his "usable program" and kept getting worse.  It messed my game up for a while.  But the stuff that was great for me was the stuff I had listened to forever (but I had never really "heard" some of it):  Positive thoughts, anchor the good shots (I was an angry golfer for a long while...anchoring my bad shots with heated emotion), slowdown and focus.  And, of course, (essentially) live a good life off the course to maximize your good life on it. 

Karma, baby.

Moe

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Two rounds ago, I was about -5 strokes off my usual and stepped up to the tee with a 3-hybrid and a mouthful of muttering under my dark cloud following.  A glory shot 2nd-deck job that rolled into a perfect lie.  Tin Cup forever baby.

Come to think of it, isn't that how DOV got started?

:- )

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A guy I used to golf with called it that. 

There were days when it saved me strokes.  Of course they were piddling, compared to the two decades of stokes it cost me.

I could have used THAT lightbulb moment with I was 15.

Golf in the Kingdom, Doc....A read you will enjoy.

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BTW if we called you an 'overachiever' in the best sense of the word, would the shoe fit?

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If there be a good-sized 'delta' here Mojo, it would be between you and that clone of you, the one who sat in 8th grade next to you, having 101% of your abilities, but who was a lousy Metro drivier and then who became a drunk homeless person ...

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You've heard the Orson Welles quote.  A lady asked him when it occurred to him that he was a genius.

"Dear lady, I was 30 when it occurred to me that I might NOT be a genius."  :- )

My own definition of 'genius' comes from Soviet chess, and it emphasizes the ability to "see" CREATIVE ideas that brilliant men cannot see.  I am, of course, not a genius by that definition; creativity and flash-insight is almost my weakest attribute.

But if we use the looser definition of 'genius,' somebody truly remarkably intelligent, I'm not ruling you out Counselor :- )

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A few years ago, SI.com gave this list:

Greg Maddux, Padres P....10%
Billy Beane, A's G.M.....9%
Tony La Russa, Cards manager.....5%
Brad Ausmus, Astros C.....5%
Bobby Cox, Braves manager.....4%
Terry Ryan, Twins G.M.....3%
Derek JeterYankees SS.....3%
Omar Minaya, Mets G.M.....3%
John Schuerholz, Braves G.M.....3%
Tom Glavine, Mets P.....2%

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Which bodes well for the top regimes of the '90s and '00s, I guess.  The poll was among 450-odd MLB players.  I guess they felt that the above 10 guys were the hardest to keep up with in a conversation?

More recently, they polled one guy  (a sportswriter at Sporting News) who listed Craig Breslow, Ross Ohlenderf, and um Chris Young as the smartest guys, going strickly off their elite-school GPA's. 

Time for that "Emotional IQ" vs "Scholastic IQ" konspiracy korner :-)

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In this thread, two things I'd like to respond to:

--"don't argue with your wife".  Not only is this essential advice, but golfing got a lot more enjoyable for me when she decided to take up the sport.  Now a regular part of my foresome.  This is a gift.

--one of my buddies says the turning point in his golf history came when he got one of Dr. Bob Rotella's books for Xmas.  He says everything went downhill from there.  I must say that the results don't lie.  He's bad.  

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I coached against Andy McKay -- and despised him (to this day).  We were arch rivals and there was no love lost.

That aside, the man is a brilliant mental game coach.

Reading this post and the comments, it becomes obvious we are in a realm which fans and pundits profoundly do not comprehend.

Mental game is ABSOLUTELY NOT something every college team teaches.  The few coaches who succeed do so because they teach it with more intensity than anything else.  As in every interaction with every player on every element of his game today.  It is not, as one commenter thought, psychological mumbojumbo.  Mental Game begins with the proposition that I am responsible for everthing I do -- failures as well as achievements.  The underlying method is to strip away distracting thought so I may focus on the task AT THIS SECOND (throwing a slider, hitting the ball, fielding a ball, etc., etc).  And most players -- including most major league players -- do not have this skill.  On the other hand, I can tell you that, having coached almost 40 years, teaching mental game is the most fulfilling and most fun experience I've had in the game. It can cause explosive improvement in a team or player.  Ask UCLA.  Ask Cal State Fullerton.  Ask Tampa Bay and on and on and on..

McKay is extremely focused, very organized, and an exceptionally hard worker.  It has been said that great coaching is getting a player to accomplish things he never dreamed he could do -- which requires taking that player places he doesn't want to go.  McKay knows his players and he knows how to get to them.  At the same time, he is tough and he is demanding.  He's always been too enamoured with charts and graphs for my liking, but he does create a common understanding of what's expected and the necessary steps to get there.  There will be little misunderstanding in his minor-league system.

His greatest challenge will be the minor league coaches and managers -- and those old-style executives Dipoto had not cleared out.  

College coaches (and top junior college coaches) are exponentially more skilled than minor league coaches.  If you doubt that, consider this: All MLB teams hire minor league coaches who have NO coaching experience.  They may have played minor league or Big League ball, but most have not a clue why they succeeded or failed...let alone how to teach 19 and 20 year-olds what they must do. For the most part, they throw the ball out there for 140-150 games and let the players figure it out for themselves  College coaches are teachers by profession; virtually no one is a head coach without having coached for one or two decades.  They do not enjoy the player turnover MLB does, so they must get the most out of the players they have.

So McKay will be trying to install standards of professionalism among coaches who have little idea what that is.  Unskilled coaches are usually rigid because they fear facing or exposing their lack of ability.  Consequently, they retreat into team politics.  McKay is prodigious at developing esprit de corps; his college assistants were worshipfully loyal to him.  He has what it takes to turn in his direction a staff which is in any way willing.  Part of the question will be how many people he'll have to fire, in order to find willing coaches, and whether the MLB Good Ol' Boy network can bring him down before he does.

Personal feelings aside, I very much hope he succeeds.  The more Mental Game discipline he can instill, the better it is for our Game -- and Seattle won't get back to post-season without it.

 

  

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OBF's picture

I hope you stick around and post more!

Having watched Pat Casey at Oregon State, it is plain to me that coaching and the mental side of the game is HUGE in baseball!

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Although most lifelong baseball men tend to have better things to do than to banter with us ...  :- )

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