Apology to Gallardo, and Dipoto
Worst Wager this, you putz

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HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED

In the second half of 2015, and all during 2016, Gallardo threw a fastball that was (1) slow, or "minus," and (2) more wild than most AA pitchers throw them.  The result, last year, was an inconceivable 6.5 strikeout, 4.7 BB, plus Gopheritis tragedy.  In spring training 2017, his fastball had some juice back (to average-solid) but was, if anything, even wilder.  

His change-speed game consisted of a -5 MPH slider that had one plane and that got blasted accordingly.  Not just in 2016, but since summer 2015 and also this March.  Dr. Detecto recorded these facts in horrific detail.  Malcontent recorded his dissension on the front page of SSI.  Billy Zoom and a few others said, hey, he's banking $13M and he's been told he needs to earn it.  Ho-kay, sez Dr. D, sensibly.

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Then, in the first 2 games of 2017, Gallardo gave up 21 baserunners in 10 innings (!) while striking out only 6 men.  Three.five baserunners per whiff doesn't work.

In the 3rd game, suddenly, Gallardo did not walk anybody.  He still got pounded, but didn't issue any ball fours.  Dr. D was a bit quizzical at this game.  Gallardo was punished with zero home runs for his "here it is, hit it" conversion.  It was as though he was tossing and turning fitfully, trying to wake up.

Then, after three 2017 games, HWMNBN sproinged his eyelids wide open, as if waking up from a psychotic night terror.  As if Game 3 suddenly brought to his memory what it takes to cause batters to be out, he started throwing fairly kinda sorta middling half decent.

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In the last 3 games, Gallardo threw up and down the zone, re-weaponizing his fastball to some extent -- and used his curve and change.  He fanned 17! batters against 6 walks and, more or less, strung three quality starts.  Let's not go bonkers here; Chase de Jong just locked down the same Rangers team that Gallardo did.  And Gallardo's ERA+ is 88 despite below-average opposition.

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THE NEW INNINGS EATER

But still, there is a whale of a difference between --- > "He Who Must Not Be Named" and a mediocre innings eater.  For three games Gallardo has been the latter.  It looks like he will continue to be such.  Would Dr. D trade Seth Smith for Gallardo NOW?  That! is the question.

In all fairness.

Not to be stubborn.  Not to be married to a previous position.

But if we were drafting AL rotisserie and the pitchers were in neutral parks, I'd still grab Wade Miley or Chris Young or Jason Vargas wayyyy before I'd take this (kinda okay) version of Gallardo.  Why?  

  • His ERA is 4.50 in Safeco, despite tremendous luck stats.  His HR/fly is an impossible 6%.  
  • His first pitch strike % doesn't justify his (already not cool) walk rate.
  • He looks to Dr. D like he's throwing at his best, leaving us with two choices:  a quality start on a good night against a weak lineup, or getting blasted, 50-50 chance.

My thing on pitching is templates.  And how good a man is within that template.  Name me another innings eater who is wild with his fastball?  That's my trepidation, going forward.

That's not to say you can't have him if you want him.  I'm just saying the good version of Yovani is a guy I'd be shuffling around with Rob Whalen and Dillon Overton and Chris Heston in the #5 slot.  But a #4-5-6 starter is a lot different from a #15 starter, which is literally where SSI had him pegged.

Zoom said I might be pleasantly surprised.  Slap me silly, I'm pleasantly surprised.  You hit the same offseason gyms as this guy or what, man?

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PITCHABILITY

When Dipoto traded for a 2-pitch $13M starter throwing 88 MPH with the worst slider in baseball, he said "This guy has been getting big league hitters out for a DECADE."  It could very well be that Dipoto included in this, the concept that Gallardo would figure out up-and-down fastballs, curves instead of sliders, or SOMETHING.  Maybe (so sue me) he also bargained that Gallardo would find a way to enhance his performance.  Or maybe Dipoto knew the Gallardo physically was due for a rebound, like Justin Verlander was, like Felix was.

In any case, this is one thing I like about Gallardo:  he's got all these hitters booked, knows when to keep the ball out of the danger zones.  His HR rate is 0.5 and that's not puuurre luck.  Gallardo does indeed have a lot of savvy.

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STILL!  If he's going to give me a decent shot at getting out of his starts alive, say our club plays .400, .450 ball in his starts, that is WAYYYYY, WAYYYYYYYYY better than what I WORST-WAGER guaranteed you'd suffer.  My bad.

So it goes,

Dr. D

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Some SSI'er layed the Over/Under date for Tank to bash his way into Safeco at June 1st.   Ummmmm.....That was me.

Some SSI'er said that Haniger was likely a 110 OPS guy this season.  Wait....that was me, too.

Some SSI'er said, two seasons ago, that Dario Pizzano was a line-drive hitting jessy, with a good eye, and was on his way to being a decent to good Mariner bat. Sunny beaches.....That, too, was little ol' moi.

Pointing out that Gallardo wasn't very good, beyond innings eating, was hardly a failure, Doc.  And the HWMNBN moniker was your best this side of Zeus.

Gallardo remains a 30 start, 180+ innings BoR guy who will  get lit up like a pinball machine on a quasi-regular basis.

No Mea Culpa needed.  Balanced against the fact that, back when he was something like 7 or 8 years old, you were telling the baseball world that James Paxton was soon going to explode on it like a Kershaw or Koufax, a slight faux pas from the good Doc warrants no mention.

Certainly not like that Pizzano thing!*  But, hey.....I was first in line to point out that the Dyson/Martin Plan was a disaster waiting to happen.  I've got that going for me!  :)

It's funny you posted this, btw.  I had been thinking about doing a thread about our best and worst Mariner predictions. You know, the kind we planted our flags in and proudly claimed.  Back when the M's grabbed a AA'er named Mike Carp, winter of '09, I was 1st in line (I think) to say he would be a productive MLB'er.  I sort of got that one right; he was sort of pretty productive for a while, although I have no idea what happened to his bat.  Well, I have an wild idea, but that is it.  Last season he played 8 games in Mexico:  .043-.179-.043!!  I was early in on the idea that Figgins was about to crash, when we got him.  I got that one right.  Liked Ben Gamel from Day 1.  Beat the drum on that one.  But I was pretty hot on Blake Beavan, back in '11, too.  Missed by a mile, there. On one or two others, too.  Cough...Romero...Cough.  Cough...Chris Taylor...Cough.  But my Eric Thames call, this winter, makes up for the Romero gaffe, doesn't it?

Anyway....I was thinking that such an "Ace/Unforced Error" thread might be interesting.

*Still holding out hope, too.  C'mon kid!

BTW:  Romero is at .281-.339-.579 in 15 games/62 PA with the Orix Buffaloes.  5 homers but (go figure) just 3 BB's to go with 15 K's.

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One of my favorites was Mike Morse.

Saw him calmly turn around a 101 mph heater in on his hands in a game way back when he was first coming up...I think it was 2006...and confidently predicted he'd be a star hitter in the big leagues if he could field enough to stay in the line-up. Took him a few years to prove me right. :)

Actually, my all-time best pure scouting call for hitting, though, wasn't even for a Mariner. I have a group of friends who grew in the NYC area, most of whom are Mets fans. There was a period of time where I had a 16-game plan with them at Shea Stadium/Citi Field and we'd take in some weekend games in person. Back in the spring of 2009, we went to an exhibition game at Shea right before the start of the season and this young player they had who had no position and no guaranteed line-up spot but who'd had a nice little cuppa in 2008 was the topic of conversation. I took a look at his swing and said: "that guy is going to hit .330+ and develop 20 HR power when he gets it figured out." They laughed at me. That player's name was Daniel Murphy. BTW, when the Mets let Murphy get away in free agency and chose to trade for Neil Walker instead, I told a coworker/Mets fan at the office that he would not be so happy about that parlay in short order, that Walker was a BIG downgrade. He thought the opposite. Murphy is a minus fielder and, at that time, was a solid, but unspectacular hitter by the numbers. My clue was the sudden HUGE drop in K rate. The rest is history. :D

On that same 2009 team, there was this little waterbug outfielder who I said should be leading off instead of Reyes. Reyes got hurt and he went right to the top of the order and was a nifty little sparkplug. That was Angel Pagan, who went on to have some nearly AS level seasons with the Giants and Mets.

In terms of the Mariners, the worst call I've made was confidently predicting that Olerud would bounce part of the way back after 2003 and that Boone would bounce back after 2004. That pair of blunders still smarts.

But I'm sure I'm forgetting other moments of stupidity. Most recently, I thought Zunino was going to break out. Oops.

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Thought the same thing about Morse, Matt.  He just looked like he was going to start hurting baseballs.  We should have dumped Sexson and stuck Morse at 1B.  

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Thanks for the strokes on Gallardo, but I was betting a longshot.

I recall DePoet Smith had to move Smith so he could get Dyson to establish his D OF ... and I'm guessing the O's offer was the best he could get and it happened to be named Guy Art Dough.

So DePoet rolls the dice on an injured guy with a decent history before he goes to Baltimore where the barbecue doesn't agree with him.

It was also a situation and if Guy Art Dough did nothing this year his career was a burnt bun, if even that on life's MLB menu.

And he has been able to put up ... he will "show up" as a longshot works sometimes.

It's apparent DePoet likes bargains, and Gamel was just that ... forced out of a Yankee OF that had just acquired a top prospect OF in a trade.  The Camel had no options left.

And I hadn't even paid attention to SSI until I was ranting when the M's wouldn't trade Walker plus either of two middle infielders, for Price and Zobrist.

And the GM's demand that Haniger move north with Segura has proven flashes of eternal happiness ... while I was just intrested in dealing Mr. Walker to somebody, anybody.

But I also did my best to trade Paxton two years ago, than last year at S/T time.

Lind was tolerated because I was huge on Mr. Lee and Lind's unhandedness allowed Mr. Lee to happen.

And I applauded the Miley acquisition and trade for Vogelsbach (in which they probably had been able to get Baez ... or Amaro).

But the deal isn't yet done on Volks.

Valencia's turn around makes me think he is more than overripe fruit.

Go, Guy Art Dough, the season ain't much yet over, yet. 

I work on hunches, not stats, and it's nice when a longshot comes in.

If you step forth with predictions, make it a bold step.

zoom

 

 

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I've watched most of the pitches Gallardo has thrown this year, he hasn't been blasted.  He's been dipped and dinged; the dude has allowed 6 doubles and 2 homers, and 2 of those doubles have been pop flys.  At .370, he's allowed the 2nd lowest SLG% by Mariners starters.  In fairness, he had a home run and a couple good plays made behind him, but that was in the plan.  What wasn't in the plan was the .333 BABiP Yo is currently running on ground balls, 60 points above his career high.  

I just want to be clear here, he's been unlucky, he's allowed one of the shortest average batted ball distances in the league (157 ft), and average to below average batted ball velocities on contact and has given up a .333 BABiP.  Statcorner has Gallardo losing a career high 17% of his strikers I the zone and receiving a career low 5.1% of calls outside the zone.  His competition hasn't been climate than any other starter, he's faced LAA, Houston, and Cleveland, and he's faced more LHH (77) than RHH (72).  The home runs will increase once he, makes some starts outside Oakland, Cleveland and Seattle, but remember what I said about spending his career in parks that increased home runs while allowing a below average rate of home runs?  The home run denial is a skill, he has a career rate of 9.5% HR/FB on the road, so 6.5% in Safeco is low, by a point, maybe a point and a half.  Also, He's running a 3.33 FIP, a bloop double in Anaheim lead to 1 "earned" run, a botched double play lead to another, and the edge of Ben Gamel's glove lead to another the other night.  Lucky he has not been.

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There have been times that he's looked worse than the results and times he's looked like he earned his success.  Visually I'm missing something and maybe it's the effectiveness of his wildness which I'm not used to seeing without significantly more velocity.  I don't know.  Whatever it's been otherwise, he's been way better than I expected after seeing him in spring.

>I am all too happy to admit that I was wrong about him

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When you give up 9, 10, 11 different baserunners in five or six innings, you've got a WHIP of 1.5 or 1.9 or 2.2 or who knows what.  That has been the case in 4 of Gallardo's 6 starts this year.  My comment was that, next start, there's still a 50-50 chance of this happening.

Your point is well taken Mal that he has not yet given up many Back Leg Specials.  I'll happily stipulate that.  Good comment.  So let's say he has been "tatooed" a lot rather than "blasted."

;- )

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You seem to really think the guy is a good pitcher this year, which is cool by me.  Question.  What ERA+ do you expect for him this season?

+1

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But without Zunino, I don't have much faith in that.  I figure he is going to have an ERA a shade, or maybe even a hair better than 4.00, maybe as low a 3.7 or so.  Frankly, I didn't like his last start against the Rangers much, it featured some of his hardest contact of the season, but it was caught, and by and large that's what I expect.  Basically, I expect him to be what he was from 2013-2015.  ~6.5 K/9, ~3.0 BB/9, ~50% GB, ~0.7 HR/9, it's not asking more than what he's done.  And his road number hint at what a 90th percentile outcome should look like.

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Much as I could have wished too, I didn't believe in Gallardo either. I'm still expecting an implosion when I stop looking. But this is an awfully useful time for Yovani to be holding it all together, that's for sure. He can wait to die on us until we've got Felix-Paxton-Smyly-Kuma-Moore ready to hum along, with Miranda screaming at all of them to give him PT.

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Though in fairness, they are 1-5 in his starts:

  • Loss 5-1
  • Loss 10-5 after a 5-0 lead and then a bunch of walks
  • Loss 5-0
  • Win 11-1
  • Loss 4-3 (up 3-0 after the top of the first, open the bottom of the first with BB's and 4 runs)
  • Loss 3-1

The last one certainly wasn't his fault and you could say he gave us a chance in game 5.  But let's not cast those results as a TOR result, either.

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