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Doc, Moe will know this (and Moe wrote you back but it hasn't shown up on old thread) philosophy. I knew two brothers from Greece who started their own bank in Palm Springs because they got tired of getting up early to milk cows. They were very good golfers. They would never hire a person until they played 18 holes with them. They watched the person practice before, mannerisms on the course, and how engaged they were at lunch. If they could handle themselves selflessly and with class, they would be up for hire. Tempers or me me me....next please. Does Z play golf?