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"Police shooting someone who has a gun pointed at them is viewed with much more understanding than them shooting someone who has a gun pointed at someone else. Is that not how should be?"
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"In order to succeed we must ask the right questions" - Aristotle
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1.  You and Nathan said that it is only violence that justifies violence. 
2.  I don't DISagree with that, but was asking you to help me out.
3.  Bad men say yellow and --- > Good men respond with yellow.  Bad men say green and --- > Good men respond with green....
4.  I asked, what is the BASIS for this correlation?  Who ever said that orange must oppose orange?  WHY IS IT that blue might not be the best (and most loving) response to orange?
You replied with, "is that not how it should be?"  Well, that's what I'm asking a basis for.
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You and Nathan feel more comfortable in seeing physical pain inflicted upon threat of physical pain.  You oppose psychic pain with psychic pain.  I'm asking, what causes you to believe that this is superior morally?
If a man steals a widow's inheritance, most people are comfortable throwing him in an 8x10 cell for twenty years and watching him get raped.  I'm more comfortable giving him 10 lashes in the town square, and letting him go, and watching the crime rate drop by 98%, while the embezzler gets a "re-set" and can go try to live the rest of his life in peace.  What is the moral differentiation?
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But none of this is fundamental to the discussion.  I'm just noodling around about our assumptions re:  violence.  This alley isn't going to take us anyplace important, so feel free to ignore.

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