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Munster:  One more word and you'll be held in con-tempht.
Vinny:  All right, all right, I get the point!
Munster:  I don't think you do ....
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:- ) If you understood my arguments, it's hard to say why you're mischaracterizing them so much ....
1.  I didn't say he's finished.  I said I'd bet 2:1 against a bounceback.
2.  I didn't vaguely say that he looks terrible.  I specified that, in hitting terms, his fastball has fallen from 95 mph to 87 mph, as it were.  His bat launch and throughspeed are gone, and you can Google the Marlins' personnel saying exactly that, too.
3.  I didn't vaguely say that his numbers look terrible.  I specified that, with FB run values and CH run values down, and popups up, he's got a profile that corroborates the bat-speed issue.  And gave several other supporting arguments.
Am not in the least satisfied that you understood the reasoning.
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If H-Ram were a Mariner, would I be defending him?  I guess that's for the community here to judge, but if H-Ram had been a Mariner, you'd have been watching him swing the bat the last two years.  As we've been watching Figgins.  Any SSI apologies on behalf of Chone?  You can watch him in the box for two games and see he's worthless...
Ramirez was an amazing player in 2006-09 and in my opinion, it was probably because of PED's, which he can no longer use.
But there's a chance, say 30% 40%, that he's just been dinged up and that, when he gets healthy, he'll be a star again.  If the Mariners get serious about this guy, that's what we'll all have to root for.
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Ramirez at +75 runs per season was practically a Mays-level player.  Cleanup hitter, great baserunning, glove, middle of the diamond, everything.