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Those guys were waiver wire pick ups, traded for cash, and an org guy. Marco Gonzales isn't blowing the doors off the hinges, but he was a Top-100 prospect with a ~70 Grade Change before the TJ surgery which is pretty much de rigueur these days. His upside is better than a stop-gap #5, and Ty O'Neill has kicked off his Cards career batting .188/.176/.438 with 6 Ks in 17 PA. You were the one that got me to look at O'Neill more like a Wladimir Balentien/Greg Halman/Eric Thames type, and those guys end up as iffy 4th Outfielders all the time, and even when they succeed, Mark Reynolds is often what they look like. Would a trade of Mark Reynolds for Jason Vargas have been a coup in 2010?